as we discussed at the top of the program, immigration reform coming up quickly. will republicans support it? and the 60 minutes interview last night with the president and the secretary of state joining us from austin, texas, fox news analyst karl rove. let's take immigration first. what is your advice to republicans on that? >> well, i think marco rubio laid out an excellent set of principles that looks like many of them, most of them have been embodied in this bipartisan 8-member senate panel republicans ought to give it a we clear strong look as you saw from your interview with marco unionio recently it emphasizes strong border security. a guest worker program and a fair but tough resolution of the issue of the people here already illegally. >> bill: generally speaking, i had no beef with senator rubio's plan and i hope they get something together. they are aren't as i addressed with juan williams and mary katharine ham. really coming to gripsz with one of the severe problems. you are going to have a lot of new americans here. you are going to have 12 million